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Now or never for Dyer

By Lee Ryder on Jul 20, 07 08:47 AM

Kieron Dyer

Confusion surrounds the future of Kieron Dyer after the player was spotted being consoled at Victoria Park by Toon coach Nigel Pearson.

Make no doubts, Dyer was one of the top men against Pools and his cool running and dribbling through the middle and out wide defied opinions Sam Allardyce will adopt a long ball/long pass system at Newcastle United.

Yet no sooner had the game finished a clearly distressed Dyer was walked on to the pitch and away from the watching media for a one on one with Pearson, sparking panic that no sooner is Dyer back up on his feet, there's another problem.

And no sooner is there a problem, West Ham start sniffing.

Dyer has missed too many games to mention since he signed for United but on his day he is a class act and this Blog, for what it's worth, has underlined he is one of the top 20 midfielders in Europe when he wants to be.

Despite his injuries, baggage and disciplinary problems, he is highly rated enough to be in almost every England squad when fit.

Even last season he showed brief glimpses of exactly what he can do when he wants to.

But that appears to be the problem, it's only when he wants to.

Indeed many Toon fans aren't convinced that after eight years at the club, he will ever produce the business on a consistent basis.

And after eight seasons of being dogged by injuries and bad Press, is he ever going to play 30 games without breaking down for some reason?

Now with plenty of midfield options for Allardyce, such as Geremi, Barton, Butt, Milner, N'Zogbia, Duff and Emre, the question is would a quality player like Dyer be missed if any four of the above list are in form and on song?

As far as West Ham are concerned his old sparring partner Lee Bowyer is there to keep him company as well as Craig Bellamy and Scott Parker.

And from the player's point of view, perhaps a move out of the goldfish bowl like his pal Jermaine Jenas, would sort him out.

But at 28 at such a big club like Newcastle and on such mega money in terms of wages, it really is now or never for Dyer.

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21 Comments

francois jacobs said:

hello there!

please please get rid off Dyer! whij? what does he bring for the team endless running
with the ball, no creativity ! is overpayed, whij he ever became a England player is a mystery to me and my son! what you need in midfield is players like Emre but he to is not enough there in the game when it realy matters, thats the problem with Newcastle united
to many players not realy good enough for the premiere league
the likes like Ramage, Carr, Babayaro,Duff,Dyer,ameobi is good but not good enough!
give the ball on one off the back four the cannot play over the ground en start from there
they will lose it one whay or the other, and if the keeper kicks the ball out you have 50%
OF having it or not,whij does Arsenal play over the ground 80% of the time?
IF you have the ball they cannot score!!

Ronnie ( Busker ) Lambert said:

Dear Lee, after today's Journal report Fri.20th.July that Dyer wants to stay, and why wouldn't he on his inflated wages, I believe he's just covering all his angles. Yes he could/could've been a sensation with mainly his pace, but as Mr. Jacobs just said, his product is never as good as his advert. Sam may be able to squeeze a bit more life into him with his fitness technology, but he seems to have little passion for the club and is a constant whinger. I would not be shocked if he got a slap from a contemporary in training this season, not wishing it of course, but the incident after the Hartlepool game could only have been about his position, being pushed out to the right wing as he apparently had a good game. We really need to be 100% united this season on and off the pitch so as to milk every ounce of a realistic chance of hitting the top six. Most of the mid-table teams have and are still buying top players, reducing the chance of an automatic European place for United that once looked a banker under Keegan and Robson. Losing Dyer wouldn't be a tragedy, but a born again Dyer ( from his invalid years )would be vital in providing bullets for our forwards. The wing is undoubtedly the place where his speed is needed most, I just hope he comes to terms with it, cos a Barton midfielder he ain't.

Ronnie ( Busker ) Lambert said:

Dear Lee, after today's Journal report Fri.20th.July that Dyer wants to stay, and why wouldn't he on his inflated wages, I believe he's just covering all his angles. Yes he could/could've been a sensation with mainly his pace, but as Mr. Jacobs just said, his product is never as good as his advert. Sam may be able to squeeze a bit more life into him with his fitness technology, but he seems to have little passion for the club and is a constant whinger. I would not be shocked if he got a slap from a contemporary in training this season, not wishing it of course, but the incident after the Hartlepool game could only have been about his position, being pushed out to the right wing as he apparently had a good game. We really need to be 100% united this season on and off the pitch so as to milk every ounce of a realistic chance of hitting the top six. Most of the mid-table teams have and are still buying top players, reducing the chance of an automatic European place for United that once looked a banker under Keegan and Robson. Losing Dyer wouldn't be a tragedy, but a born again Dyer ( from his invalid years )would be vital in providing bullets for our forwards. The wing is undoubtedly the place where his speed is needed most, I just hope he comes to terms with it, cos a Barton midfielder he ain't.

Paul Patterson said:

I’ve never been convinced about Mr Dyer.

Yes circa 2001-3, Newcastle United would have a marvellous ten minutes every game, where everything would go like clockwork, Shearer and Bellamy would finish off moves, usually after Dyer had buzzed through the middle and played a ball to Solano and the Peruvian wouldn’t need to beat a man, but knock a wonderful ball into the middle.

It’s what made us great to watch.

Sadly Dyer was 23 and we were forever saying, “Don’t worry he’ll learn to shoot, cross, head and stay fit next year and we will be all the merrier� This is in 2002, now were going into 2008 and it still hasn’t happened.

£80k a week is a lot of money and if we could get anywhere near £4m, I’d accept straight away.

We have a very competitive midfield and if Big Sam fancies strengthening it further after a Dyer exit, and maybe solving the captain problem, Kevin Nolan? £10m

We haven’t spent yet and we need a complete left wing, plus another Centre back, Allardyce seems to want this Andrea bloke from Italy at a cost of £10m.

Well if getting Nolan and Andrea costs £20m, hasn’t he done enough to deserve this with great dealing so far?

We get £30m just for staying up next season.

Time to spend. Paul.

RAY WILSON said:

Hi Lee. Kieron Dyer ? I have always thought his impact to be minimal. I cant remember him ever stringing two games together of consistency.I have always said what is he? He cant provide a raking through pass and take a couple of defenders out of the game,He cant tackle ,He cant head a ball,If he loses a ball its often in menacing areas { Remember the last game of last season } He cant really score goals with any regularity, and his biggest problem seems to be his own ego. Why did he need consoling after the game last week ? must have spat his dummy out again I suspect because everything did not go his way. He has done this since he came to the club and I cant forget his behaviour towards the fans and sir Bobby after the fiasco he produced then. If the Hammers want him then let him go ,but not on the cheap,no one gives us anything on the cheap and we are the premiership mugs whe it comes to buying from other premiership clubs ,so if Curbs wants him then he can have him ,but 8 Million is the price up front ,no more silly deals and gve aways. Sam can replace with a midfielder who can pass,tackle,head,score goals,and does not have to be wrapped in cotton wool. If he recovers from the injury dished out by Scottie Parker I would suggest the Fulham midfielder who ran us ragged last year till Parker put him out is the type of midfielder we need.

RAY WILSON said:

Hi Lee. Kieron Dyer ? I have always thought his impact to be minimal. I cant remember him ever stringing two games together of consistency.I have always said what is he? He cant provide a raking through pass and take a couple of defenders out of the game,He cant tackle ,He cant head a ball,If he loses a ball its often in menacing areas { Remember the last game of last season } He cant really score goals with any regularity, and his biggest problem seems to be his own ego. Why did he need consoling after the game last week ? must have spat his dummy out again I suspect because everything did not go his way. He has done this since he came to the club and I cant forget his behaviour towards the fans and sir Bobby after the fiasco he produced then. If the Hammers want him then let him go ,but not on the cheap,no one gives us anything on the cheap and we are the premiership mugs whe it comes to buying from other premiership clubs ,so if Curbs wants him then he can have him ,but 8 Million is the price up front ,no more silly deals and gve aways. Sam can replace with a midfielder who can pass,tackle,head,score goals,and does not have to be wrapped in cotton wool. If he recovers from the injury dished out by Scottie Parker I would suggest the Fulham midfielder who ran us ragged last year till Parker put him out is the type of midfielder we need.

RAY WILSON said:

Hi Lee. Kieron Dyer ? I have always thought his impact to be minimal. I cant remember him ever stringing two games together of consistency.I have always said what is he? He cant provide a raking through pass and take a couple of defenders out of the game,He cant tackle ,He cant head a ball,If he loses a ball its often in menacing areas { Remember the last game of last season } He cant really score goals with any regularity, and his biggest problem seems to be his own ego. Why did he need consoling after the game last week ? must have spat his dummy out again I suspect because everything did not go his way. He has done this since he came to the club and I cant forget his behaviour towards the fans and sir Bobby after the fiasco he produced then. If the Hammers want him then let him go ,but not on the cheap,no one gives us anything on the cheap and we are the premiership mugs whe it comes to buying from other premiership clubs ,so if Curbs wants him then he can have him ,but 8 Million is the price up front ,no more silly deals and gve aways. Sam can replace with a midfielder who can pass,tackle,head,score goals,and does not have to be wrapped in cotton wool. If he recovers from the injury dished out by Scottie Parker I would suggest the Fulham midfielder who ran us ragged last year till Parker put him out is the type of midfielder we need.

Toonrobbybobson said:

Ive called him Forest Gump for years. I think that sums it up really...

On his day he can produce magic but its very rare these days. If he was replaced by a top class player then let him go.

oliver newton said:

Dyer is way too good to get rid of. Why on earth would we contemplate this? He is one of the best midfied players in the premier league. Put him behind owen and martins and our attacking pace will scare any team.

yetty said:

allardyce shd pls,and try all his effort 2 keep kieron dyer, if newcastle shd loose him, i swear they've lost big thing.

Ronnie ( Busker ) Lambert said:

It seems that Heinze desires the Liverpool gig as his agent is appearing to want UEFA involved, so he probably won't want the Toon. But if I were Sam I'd
offer him the same money as Owen as he's the best, most adventurous left back I've seen in years. I was drooling at recent misleading reports about us getting him, I wish papers wouldn't do that to us every summer just to sell copies in the close season. Anyway, he's the type and class of player we should be busting a gut for to cement Ashley's and the supporters dreams.

Anonymous said:

i would carry him to west ham myself

adam said:

I dont understand where these rumours have came from. They were printed in the chronicle a few days ago by Oliver who had no source or evidence for West Ham wanting him and not only that but he also said he would be allowed to leave for 2 MILLION. Dyer may be inconsistant on the pitch and with injuries but he is still a top class player and 2 million is less than a third of his value.

Oliver has created a story out of nothing and has no facts whatsoever to back the article up.

I think Dyer will stay but if he leaves it will be for more than 2 MILLION!!!!

Adam said:

Dyer can be very useful but also frustrating, and it might be time to start afresh with a newer midfield. There's been talk of Deco, and I didn't feel that we need Deco or quite how we'd fit all our best players in if we got him. Yet he would be a perfect replacement if Dyer goes.

On the other hand, if Sam keeps Dyer and gets the best out of him I'd also be pleased.

Firstly, I hope we put in good offers for two top defenders this week and then consider mf/attack. If we do lose Dyer we need to get cracking on all fronts!
(hope we keep Emre though).

Aspro said:

One of the top 20 midfielders in Europe? Come off it Lee! Let's be honest, how many really good games has he had for United over his career? Probably 10? Possibly 12? Over eight years! Now how many "unsavoury" incidents has he been involved in over the same period? Probably 10 or 12 again! He should have been sacked after the Bowyer fight, we'd have saved over a million in wages and wouldn't have missed him. If West Ham or Spurs are daft enough to take him off our wage bill I'll drive him to London myself.

Ryder's reply:
Whether you love him or hate him Aspro, he's had more than 12 good games in eight years.
And he's managed to stay here eight full years and when fit been in the England squad the majority of those times.
But while I still do think that when he is fully fit and on top of his game he's one of the top midfielders in Europe, I think you are right to get the car started and drive him down to London at this stage.
I'll give you a shout if I hear he's off,

Duncan Baines said:

I think there is no chance that Damien Duff will ever be 'fit and on song' next season.

elyas,malaysia said:

I once lived in Newcastle from the age of 6-10 and since then, I've never stoped supporting Newcastle United .Now I'm back in my homeland Malaysia but keep daily updates on United.

Lee. Could you please tell your pal ALAN OLIVER at the Chronicle to shut up and stop making up stories about United players leaving!He is just making stories out of nothing and now the fans are getting disgruntled and shoeing some hatred to players United might to with at the moment.

We have just started the pre-season with a morale boosting win against Hartlepool! A minor hiccup against Carlisle but at least, we now know Shola scored a brace, Owen got his first goal in nearly two years, Barton playing brilliantly,good game by Rozehnal, Dyer played superbly ;all in all a good start to Big Sam's era.

But now two days after, we've got this piece og garbage by your mate Oliver who says West Ham want Dyer. He's saying all sorts of factors that make the rumours of the move, incredibly real which I doubt very much.

He's then saying that Emre wants to move on. That story was made up by him months ago. No one else reported it. Now Alan is trying to start it again. Emre is a great player and one who wants to play for United under the new regime.

Obviously Alan yhinks otherwise and tryning to say the players he doesn't like is on the verge of the move.

The problem is, United have just started life brilliantly under Big Sam. The fans are optimistic and are getting the confidence back that the club they love so much is getting it's magic back.

So Oliver, don't start ruining things by making up silly tansfer rumours.!

Dyer and Emre are valuable to United and they would love to stay to help the club get back to where it belongs no matter what the injuries and problem they face.

LET'S BE UNITED!!!

Ryder's reply: Allardyce has admitted that West Ham are probably interested because of the injury to Julien Faubert.

Jed Lumely said:

The trouble with Dyer is that he never really developed. He has a warped sense of his self-importance off and on the field and to read an interview in the Journal just a few days before this transfer business reared its head (again) where he claimed he was satisfied with Big Sam's approach and therefore would stay, beggars belief. How about satisfying the majority of the fans with your aproach, Kieron? This club has bankrolled his antics and your time on the bench for far too long and, while he has had more than 12 good games over the eight years, there haven't been many in recent seasons, even though he still manages to turn it on for his odd appearances for England. His attitude and aptitude towards the end of last season were appalling, even more so when you consider he was given the captaincy. To be honest, since his injuries, he seems to have lost some of his pace and ability to hold the ball, which were his key strengths. At the end of last season, he was showing too much of the ball to oppponents. I don't doubt that if he was firing on all cylinders he would be an asset, but where do you play him? Out wide? I'd rather have Milner or a slow Nobby out there; Dyer sledom sticks to the task and is known not to like playing there. Up front? He's not a good enough marksman and we have better. Behind the front two? At whose expense? Butt? Emre? Captain Barton? Can't see it, not unless Big Sam is going to chop and change. Then there are other questions? How long will he stay fit? England doesn't play every week! For long would he be firing on all cylinders? Past evidence would indicate this wouldn't last too long. The bottom line is that he has been paid a shed load of money by this club and its fans and the returns haven't been that good. Why does the club feel it owes him a living?

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