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What shape are you?

Posted by Lee on October 5, 2007 1:59 PM | 

What works best for you 4-4-2 or 4-3-3?

Newcastle United's formation has never caused such a big stir and as United head into the game with Everton on the back of an error laden 3-1 defeat against Man City the question is what shape will the Mags line up with against the Toffees?

It was the unpopular 4-3-3 last week and the question of which direction United need to take this week is today's topic.

Kevin Keegan's attitude was simply to "give the fans what they want" with a team that went forward from all angles and had success, albeit no trophies.

And Ossie Ardiles' infamous diamond formation did used to cause plenty of post-game chew around the Bigg Market but that was mainly because Newcastle were terrible, mind you they did play some canny stuff under the little South American!

Jack Charlton used to like to lump it. Kenny Dalglish used to try and suffocate the opposition.

And Ruud "I never said that" Gullit's "sexy football" resulted in the dreadlocked Dutchman losing the plot and leaving Rob Lee, Alan Shearer and Duncan Ferguson on the sidelines in favour of Paul Robinson, Jamie McClen and Silvio Maric.

Boy, how we miss the Entertainers still!

Entertaining stuff is what we'd love to see these days but what must come with that is results.

And while grinding out results doesn't look good, there is sections of the St James' Park crowd who don't care how Newcastle win, providing they WIN!

But there's also sections that demand good football and can take the odd defeat.

And it wouldn't be Newcastle United if this wasn't complex which is where the 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 argument kicks in!

Generally it's accepted that 4-4-2 is the preferred formation amongst the fans, which appears to give United shape and the ability to attack home and away, as far as defending is concerned, when have we ever been able to do that?

OK, I'm not a coach and while my managerial duties extend as far as making sure my 5-a-side team turn up on time and pay their subs, it was plain to me and thousands of fans that the 4-3-3 system at Man City didn't work.

And I am sure that the bulk of the 52,000 fans who turn up every other week at SJP don't, like I don't, have a Pro Licence but does that mean they can't have a point of view? I don't think so.

In the first half at City 4-3-3 left Charles N'Zogbia exposed as Stephen Ireland romped down the right and crossed for Martin Petrov and in the second period Habib Beye had no help down the other side and Petrov supplied Mpenza to score the second and basically hand City the game.

Had United used 4-4-2 the full-backs would have at least had the shield of a wide midfielder in front of them to help them cope with the two attacks from out wide.

But to keep in pattern with this topsy turvy subject, we saw that 4-3-3 worked at home at times, for example when finished the game against Wigan with Milner on the left of a three pronged attack and Martins on the right with Owen in the middle.

The result being a Martins cross from the right headed home by Owen to win a game that wasn't the prettiest to look at.

The other point is that three in midfield has made United look like they lack creativity from the middle of the park.

Or at least that is the case when you have two defensive minded players like Nicky Butt and Geremi both in it alongside a battling player like Alan Smith, who by trade is a striker.

Smith has taken a lot of stick since signing for the club, a lot of it unfair, but the fact is he is being asked to do a job in a position that isn't his forte.

My view on it is that while 4-3-3 has worked this season on occasion, 4-4-2 is the natural shape of a football team at all levels and every player knows their job.

Throw into that players like Milner and N'Zogbia (and Duff to come back) getting out wide and getting crosses in for the likes of Martins, Owen and Viduka and it would appear that United should be capable of getting a hatful of goals.

But if Keegan's attitude was "give em what they want" the question today has to be just what is the expectation of the modern day Toon Army?

GOT AN OPINION? DISAGREE? AGREE?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Comments below

Comments (7)

Paul Patterson wrote...

Bloody Hell? Nowt like confusing things eh?

Keegan’s formation was more 2-5-3 at times anyway but I think whilst were not in a position to win anything this season (Realistically) then why not be the best we can be? Attack for 90 minutes and see where it gets us. I bet a side attacking non-stop for 90mins gets higher up the table than a side that are hard to break down? How often did Bolton finish above Newcastle when Bobby Robson and Allardyce where in opposing dug out’s eh?

I’m from the school of thought:- If you attack and batter a team but get beat, then that’s fine because that simply won’t happen every week, more often than not you will win playing like that. Under Roeder and Souness, you’d often wait a couple of games before you see a shot on target, under Keegan and Robson, the one thing you could guarantee week in week out, was goals. We even went to Old Trafford and scored three under Bobby.

Against Man City pinning 4-3-3 up on the tactics board at 12:00, was as good as going into a Butchers and asking for a Widescreen Television.

You state that it worked against Wigan, but did it, it took a drab 86 minutes and a substitution or three to get that far, plus who can actually say we’ve actually deserved to win a game this season except against Bolton?

We rode our luck to get a draw with Villa, we’ve been completely outplayed by Man City, Arsenal’s Creche, Derby (Yes, Derby) and I fully expect a defeat against the Toffee’s, we looked good in parts against Boro and in the last 30 minutes against West Ham, But again the Hammer’s had the better of it for the first half.

Since when is Smith a striker by trade? He’s not a goalscorer is he?

Allardyce seems to be lacking in faith in his £6m left back Enrique otherwise he’d have played him sooner and I’m sure N’Zogbia would have gave him good cover on the left.

Not to confuse things further but may I suggest 3-5-2?

Given/Harper, Taylor, Rozehnal and Cacapa, Butt, Geremi, Barton, N’Zogbia and Milner (Wide) with Viduka and either Martins or Owen up top.

Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | October 6, 2007 10:35 AM

ray sundin wrote...

here paul smudger got plenty of goals at leeds with viduka,, hes in midfield u loon! what u expect?

Posted by: ray sundin  | October 6, 2007 10:59 PM

ossie hot dog wrote...

4-4-2 alll the way man

Posted by: ossie hot dog  | October 6, 2007 11:00 PM

Ken wrote...

it doesnt matter what shape you fool, as long as the team wins games and gets into europe

Posted by: Ken  | October 7, 2007 12:45 AM

phil matues wrote...

This team and tactics need time to develop,but we should not jump up and down until the end of the season .........if we dont finish in top 6 !!!!!!

Posted by: phil matues  | October 7, 2007 4:49 AM

Paul Patterson wrote...

Ray:- My research tells me that Alan Smith never got more than 11 goals (2000/01) whilst the rest of the time his tally's were similar to that of one Keiron Dyer.

He simly isn't a great player and shouldn't be in the starting line up.
I'm of the opinion that he's only in the side because the owner has his name on his back.

Plus his usual contribution to a game is his rash tackle and obvious booking.

If you rely on Alan Smith as your goalscoring threat from either midfeild or up front then your doomed to fail, we got away with Dyer doing the same for years.

We WONT get away with it again!

Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | October 7, 2007 11:13 AM

ray sundin wrote...

I think you should get off the kids back, you cant tar him with the same brush as dyer!
fair enough his goal tally isnt great but i think if you research it he played a lot of games at leeds in midfield as well
if hes rolling his sleeves up and getting on with it thats fair enough for a player

Posted by: ray sundin  | October 7, 2007 11:45 AM

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