United outclassed by Man U

By Lee Ryder on Feb 23, 08 07:11 PM

NEWCASTLE UNITED'S Premier League safety was still uncertain tonight after Manchester United pulled off a solid away win St James's Park.

A goal from Abdoulaye Faye with 12 minutes to go was as good as the night got for the Toon Army after two each from Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney and strike from ex-Mag Louis Saha completed somewhat of a rout on Tyneside.

Shay Given was back from a groin injury to take his place between the posts and Keegan selected Abdoulaye Faye in front of him.

Faye was playing his first game since returning from the African Cup of Nations but Oba Martins was absent due to an ankle injury sustained in the same tournament.

That meant Michael Owen partnered Alan Smith in attack while Charles N’Zogbia returned from a ban to take a place at left-back.

Owen had the first real chance of the game on five minutes when N’Zogbia crossed from the left and the England star stabbed it the wrong side of the upright.

Necwastle kept up the pressure on Man U and on 12 minutes a right wing cross from James Milner caused havoc for the visitors but nobody in a black and white shirt was able to get on the end of it.

KK had called on his players before the game to sweat blood for the Toon cause and this was certainly apparent in the opening 20 minutes with both N’Zogbia and Milner nailing Ronaldo and Nani when they tried to venture into the box.

And when Ronaldo did get a sight of goal on 22 minutes the Portugal international sliced a shot into the Gallowgate End.

Two minutes later and Toon players protested furiously at ref Chris Foy when Owen burst into the penalty box only to be upended by Ferdinand but the official waved away the protests.

Then to rub salt into the wounds Man U snatched the lead against the run of play on the 25 minute mark as Ronaldo â€" who had switched wings with Nani just minutes earlier - crossed from the left and an unmarked Rooney ghosted in at the back post to slot past Given.

But Newcastle reacted positively and offensively by forcing a couple of corners and on the half hour a Milner shot flashed just wide.

Yet Man U’s response was to punish Newcastle again and after almost lulling Newcastle to sleep suddenly a pass through the middle from Geordie boy Michael Carrick found Ronaldo who calmly picked his spot to make it 2-0 on the stroke of half-time.

During the break Keegan was forced to withdraw Given who suffered a recurrence of his groin problem.

It took Newcastle six minutes to test Van der Sar in the second half as a twisting run from Duff forced the Dutchman to save with his feet.

Yet Man U struck a third goal on 57 minutes as Ronaldo was released by Darren Fletcher before he rounded Harper and slammed it from an acute angle and into the net.

With Newcastle trailing by three Keegan introduced raw teenager Andy Carroll just after the hour mark.

Five minutes later and Smith played the ball out to the left for Duff but his low shot was easily gathered by Van der Sar.

Newcastle were handed a glimmer of hope with 12 minutes left.

Carroll forced a corner and after Milner whipped in the flag kick Faye rifled home at the second attempt.

But the joy lasted less than two minutes.

And after Harper pulled off a great save to deny Scholes to force a corner Man U cashed in again.

On this occasion a poor clearance by Smith fell to Rooney from the corner to allow the England ace to curl home a great effort.

And just to rub salt into the wound Louis Saha fired home number five in stoppage time.

Chances from Smith and Owen failed to reduce arrears as Newcastle lost by more than three clear goals at home for the third time this season.

UNITED: Given (Harper 46), Beye, Faye, Taylor, N’Zogbia, Milner (Geremi 84), Butt, Barton (Carroll 61), Duff, Smith Owen.

Subs: Cacapa, Ameobi.

MAN UNITED: Van der Sar, Evra (O’Shea 46), Ferdinand, Brown, Ronaldo (Saha 67), Rooney, Vidic (Scholes 74), Carrick, Nani, Fletcher, Tevez.

Subs: Anderson, Kuszczak.

Crowd: 52, 291


STEVE said:

ABSOLUTELY gutted,some played that shouldnt have,others that did were poor,the best i hoped for was a draw.Keegan is still the man to lead us forward and upward,even if it takes a backwards step(u know what i mean).WE WILL ALWAYS BE OK UNDER KK.My thoughts now though are with eduardo of arsenal,hell be lucky to walk again let alone play.sickening challenge,and i agree with wenger,m.taylor should NEVER be allowed to play again.......has anyone else seen it,its grotesque,the mans foot is flailing in mid air...poor sod....get well soon from the mags..

bonnielad said:

we played a goalkeeper who was unfit, consequently losing a replacement on the field.totally outclassed by manu.who only got into first gear when required please please select nzogbia in a wing role and to take off milner for geremi was laughable.andy carroll tried to make a difference but once again the midfield had no ideas and no passes good enough.this form is surely going to put fear into everyone at the club with relegation now a distinct possibility.who is going to be uniteds saviour?

Peter Harper said:

Could you please tell me if Jose Enrique has lost a leg because that is the only reason he shouldn't be in the team?
My initial thoughts going into this game was the necessity for a strong defender in the left back position not a converted winger.No wonder N'zogbia wants away because he is on a hiding to nothing playing at fullback where his total lack of defensive positional sense is appalling.I must admit to liking Enrique.I feel he was messed about by Allardyce and Keegan is doing the same,through. I believe, a miguided thought of needing to play both N'zogbia and Duff in the hope they will remain at SJP.
Make no mistake that we are in grave danger of being relegated.
The season has caught up with Butt as he is now a negative spent force.Barton is a joke.Beye's performance was good among the dross and Faye and Taylor played like they were fresh from New Hartley Juniors.Smith gave his all which was not good enough as we insisted on pumping balls up in the air.Given is a great shot stopper but ,he does not command his box and in our moment of need Harper should be in the side.I cannot blame Owen as he had no service and Milner was very good and very passionate unlike most of his team mates.Carroll definitely shows promise.
Quoting the immortal words Of General Custer at The Little Big Horn "Boys I believe we've had it"
Our saviour may come in the fact that there may be three teams worse than us.I am sure there are two but three???

Adam said:

Just woke up to the news that we have been thrashed by Man U 5-1 at home. I hate to say this but barring some miracle we are going down. Just consider the form 16 goals against and only 3 scored since KK's return and no win in 10 games. We are pathetic, plain and simple.

Toothless in attack and shite in defence, there is no end in sight asides from the end to our Premier Leaugue existence. I had half expected Man U to beat us with an encouraging performance from the toon, but lately there is nothing encouraging about the performances and sadly this form will send us down if it continues.

Please prove me wrong Newcastle, please.

Bill said:

Forget the result but not the performance. I really didn't expect to get anything out of this game but yet again we proved we can't stop conceding goals in the second half, our defending and passing (partic Barton for 2nd goal) was kamekazi and the number of chances and attempts on goal is very worrying.
The next match agst Blackburn is a must not lose game. We need to reproduce the fervour and passion we showed at times today otherwise .....

PS I hope the club finds the mindless morons who threw the two bottles onto the pitch after the Mancs third goal. I hope the scum are banned from SJP sine die.

Sy said:

Hugely disappointing without question. Form which is most definitely relegation form without question.

But let's not go over the top. Just like playing Arsenal twice in a week, this game was against the form team in the league boasting the most damaging footballer in the league in the form of Cristiano Ronaldo. Again he scores two and makes one. I accept it's not a concrete argument by any means, but take that contribution away and 1-2 looks very different.

I'm as concerned as ever by the immense void in class between us and the teams we've played lately, but I'll be looking out for Blackburn at home before I get too worried. We must make a fist of that one which in my book will be much more telling.

I can't say I support some of the current team selections, several question marks stand out to me like most others on this board.

But let's keep things in perspective at the moment. We've all known this season is a write-off for a while, let's just get through to the summer, overhaul the squad and go from there.

philip said:


"Outclassed" by ManU? I don't think you give ManU nearly enough credit. This was less of a game and more of a reckoning. You hear stories from time to time about amateur footballers reaching a point in their careers when they considered quitting the game and going back to a carpentry job, or whatever they were doing part time to make ends meet. This is one of those moments for the entire Magpies team, who need to look in the mirror and make sure they are in the right profession.

Butt and Barton--who has disappointed in every game--need a traffic cop to keep them from getting entangled, N'Zogbia still doesn't care about defending, and the forwards are starved for quality service. As usual Milner looked determined and positive, and Duff looked better. Although Beye and Faye were active and aggressive, ManU were able to put in crosses at will, and Steven Taylor did little to justify his inclusion in the side.

I think the players showed positive signs relative to the last few performances, but that won't be enough to keep them up.


Hi Lee -Well we got absolutely nothing-it was further evidence of the gulf between where we aspire to be and where we are.Kev has got one hell of a job on with this lot- We lack real penetration inside the box and the midfield is completely out of its depth-dont know what Kevs going to do-We cant blame him for the mess the big shambles left us in .The Blackburn game is now a crisis match we we certainly cant afford to lose-Hope I am not a pessimist but after the last 10 games I cant see where the next win is coming from. we need to pull out all the stops to avoid the drop. I travelled over 370 miles today and boy was it a long drive home. One thing is certain though we cant blame Kev for the mess the big shambles has left us in-boy he has got one hell of a job on his hands now - I hate to say it but we looked so poor today the drop certainly beckons- We have no punch in front of goal-the midfield is sterile and we cant defend . The last 10 games has shown us in our true light we are simply not good enough.The Blackburn game takes on a whole new meaning now-dare not think of where we could be come Saturday if we lose again.

Rob Australia. said:

Well well as i wrote before xmas the toon would not get any more points and get hidings from Man Utd, and get relegated. KK will not save us lets get ready for finishing 4th bottom or even worse.

damo said:

Who is our best player?

In theory, on paper at least, you would have to say the captain - and would-be talisman - Michael Owen. Why, then, for SO long - has he been a LONE striker feeding on scraps? The man is not built for this. No wonder he often looks dejected and thoroughly p***ed off - and I for one applaud him for his willingness to carry the torch and run his socks off to no avail. If not for distinctly iffy reffing he'd have had a decent tally lately too.

So who is the answer alongside? Clearly not Smith; clearly not Ameobi. I always feel buoyed to see Viduka on the teamsheet with Owen - but the stats are not looking great. Martins is unpredictable and sadly not a foil for Owen. So surely it is time to blood the youth in the form of one Andy Carrol. In his way he changed the game against the Mancs today - the aggregate score this season now proudly reads 11-1 instead of 11-NIL - thanks to his height and attempt on goal. I'll just translate that last bit, in case anyone's getting a bit confused here: HE TRIED TO PUT THE BALL BETWEEN THE GOALPOSTS - AND NEARLY SUCCEEDED

Don't mean to sound bitter - and in no way blame KK for any of this - just wish things were a bit more clearly defined and showing signs of change that's all. It all seems so bleedin simple from where I'm sitting.

Oh, and wonder what Sparky Hughes will be thinking when he comes to SJP next week...?

Siomi said:

No one expected a win, but we did hope for better than this. Kevin has to take some responsibility for our shame and humiliation. It is not enough to clap and motivate if your selection and substitution decisions are inept.

Kevin obviously decided to rely on his 'older and more experienced heads'. And I think we looked old and not very experienced.

He persists with Smith who inevitably passes backwards in laughable 'give and goes' and then forgets to go. At least he wasn't booked, but maybe that explains his flat performance.

Barton continues to be given chances to show us how he is not up for it - too many distractions and inner fires to contend with, and why build a squad around a player who won't be around?

Poor old Zog showed us again and again why he can't and shouldn't be left back. I don't blame him for the first goal, I blame Kevin. I do wonder what is going on with Enrique. How much is he being paid?

Butt just looked like he didn't want to be there, probably thinking about all the texts he was going to get from he Mancs mates.

Allowing an unfit Given to play was a very poor decision. He has now aggravated his injury and we lost a substitution. And bringing on Carrol for Milner? My God!

Kevin needs to sit down and re-think the remainder of the season. He needs to put together a group of players who feel that they have something to play for. And he has to get the mid-field sorted - at the moment it is a joke.

Blackburn HAS to be better, please Kevin, sort it out!

(On a positive note, I was pleased to see that Carr wasn't even on the bench.)

Mark Blades said:

Woeful defensive errors again lads, that apart we got what i would have expected. Now i expect to be shot here....but ive been watching Taylor since his debut v Bolton, and the boy for me cant defend, today proved it again, will he get better with a solid partner in the woodgate mold. Barton..just looks slow and he cant hold posession...thngs are looking bleak


JAMES MILNER today told Manchester United superstars: “We don’t fear you with the Toon Army right behind us.�

That was the defiant message coming from the St James’s Park dressing room ahead of the sizzling encounter against Man U tonight.

The Red Devils know that failure to beat Newcastle would put the defence of their title in serious doubt, with Arsenal pulling away into the distance ahead of them.

And despite the black-and-whites’ poor run, with no wins since December 15, Milner revealed today that Newcastle CAN end it with victory over the champions.
Lee - you wrote the above before the Man Utd game - you need to stick to objective journalism - i.e. factual / realistic analysis - avoid flights of fancy - such as hoping NUFC will beat Man Utd.

James 09 said:

In a word - depression.

Amongst a hefty bunch of problems, and regardless of what's fed to the media, perhaps this has become the most conspicuous - these players do not want to play for themselves, each other and certainly not Newcastle United. A disgrace. No wonder so many take the **** so often.

Pedi said:

After watching the game I couldnt decide who my frustration should be aimed at: Ashley for not providing more transfer money and swapping managers with 2 weeks left of the Jan window.
Keegan for playing the awful barton, useless smith, and Zoggy out of position, injured keeper and strange substitutions. The team as a whole that arent playing like a team and who look slow, cant pass, defend, score, create chances etc....

Keegan has to do his best with what he's got and while he still goes against common sense (team selection)I think when he gets players in that will want to play for him, times will be better. The poor fella looks like death warmed up lately, all the stress Allardyces players are causing him.

All I hope for this season is survival, then we can get rid of alot of the team and build from there. Presently SJP is more like a landfill site the amount of rubbish that is there. Only Milner and Zoggy when hes in midfield are consistant performers that I believe can be salvaged. I'd just like to mention Andy Caroll, he was the only striker that looked threatening and Im in support of giving him a run in the team, afterall he's level pegging with smith for goals scored.

Roy C said:

Didn't expect to win yesterday but KK needs to make some changes NOW.
Am I the only one to think that Given is no longer our No 1 keeper - he strolls in and out of games as he pleases, constantly stays on his line when a good keeper would be out going for crosses and cannot inspire the defence?? in front of him. Harper should be given first choice spot.
As for the rest then Barton is a total waste of space, Smith gives all but produces nothing, little Charlie is not a full back and playing him there is a waste of his talent - he will go and I don't blame him, thankfully KK has sussed out Viduka - is he really an Oz cos he doesn't display any of the winning temperament of your normal Oz? Andy Carroll came on and made a useful contribution - give him a chance alongside Prince Michael - it's got to be an improvement. Oh, I forgot, didn't we sign a classy full back called Jose Enrique - where is he?
Got to be 3 points against Blackburn next week.

Frank said:

Keegan must go!!

Ryder's reply: A knee jerk reaction is the last thing Newcastle need right now, Keegan needs time to do the job his way.

Pierre de Letter said:

Roy C-you mirrored my thoughts completely.
Shay Given has been a professional footballer for 15 years and is the worst kicker(for a goalkeeper) of the ball I have ever seen.You would think over the years the coaches would have worked on this -but no-he continually puts our defence under pressure by his appalling lack of ability to clear a ball.Steve Harper should be our No1.
Jose Enrique's first game for KK was good and we haven't seen him again.
He is a good defender-we NEED good defenders in our side.
Extract that digit King Kev before it's too late.

gordon said:

Kevin Keegan showed yesterday why he is tactically useless than every other premier league manager.The decisions in team selection keegan bottled it.If i were ashley i would have keegan and terry mac into the office and put a rocket up their backsides.And they flag which had all of the newcastle legends from the past i hope they scribbled taylors name out.

jac mills said:


As I predicted in these pages last week, MU decimated NU, not just beat them. I wrote MU 4 - NU 1, but MU could have piled on had they not switched off for 20 minutes.

Overall, the NU effort, if that is what it can be called, was abysmal. I repeat: Most of the players in black and white are not up to EPL standard, it's as simple as that.

The NU players came out hard and tough, knocking MU around, but as we all know, class and skill always tell.

The individual skill of the MU players and their team work made most of the NU players look like amateurs.

I watched on telly the despair on KK's face deepen as the game progressed. He yearned so much for the final whistle. Soon he will look like he is 100 years old.

There was a lot of hugging and kissing by the MU players after they scored. Perhaps KK can ask his boys to try a little of that. It might pay off more than spitting.

Jimmy said:

Do you know what i read this site often and i never see much positive written about our team. I know at the min there is not much to say but i watched the game last night and i tell you what we are playing better and better each game, scorelin aside for amin, milner and duff looked very threatening the whole game and never gave up, nicky butt was reasonably solid in midfield, beye nzogbia and faye looked good. Taylor had a howler and in all fairness he has been generally consistent so far not great but consistant. but we were playing a team who beat arsenal 4 nil the other night, a team which in my eyes are nearly invincible in this league. They have the best 4 attcking midfielders/strikers in the world. one of the best set of defensive midfielders and arguably the best defence in the country now i am sorry but any teams can honestly accept a whopping off these. but i still feel positive about things you have to being a toon fan thats life, but the bottom line is we aint going down i will eat my hat if we do. We look so much better than fulham/birmingham/reading/wigan and the likes. yeah its sad we are in this position but instead of getting all stroppy and moody about it all and slagging the team players week in and out why not try and look forward and try supporting the team positivly. This is the worst season i can remember but i can see good things at this club and i can see it happenin under wor kev. We just need patience and faith and things WILL happen.

gav said:

well said sy .. lets look at things realistically here the 6 games that keegan has been in charge 4 of them are against opposition that are flying high in the top of the premier league , Did anyone really think we could get something from the games against man u and arsenal because if you thought for a minute we could then you clearly was just kidding yourself .. the bolton game was obviously a serious let down but they cam e to spoil the party and it worked and as far as the boro game goes a point was the correct but not prefered result .. obviously the manner in which we got beat by arsenal twice aston villa and now man utd is clearly worrying but it just underlines the immense task the KK has had set out before him . avoiding relegation is the only priority this seasson, forget europe forget the top ten avoiding the bottom three is vital the team need a win and their confidence wasnt going to be strengthened against teams like arsenal or man u , we need to forget those results and concentrate on getting results on teams which we can get results on grnted the list is getting shorter but we have to keep the faith stick with keegan and the team for the massive rebuilding job that will ensue next season we must be patient and show some stability right down to the core of the club

Revo said:

Went to he game last night and saw a man utd team at its very slick best,great one touch football and clinical finishing.
Not many teams in europe would have kept the score down such was the charged display.
Us....?....We are a team in transition with a small window to adapt to the managers style and requirements and trying to acheive 11 points 39 will do!
I was pleased at the players endevour to play structured football whilst keeping on going despite the escalating scoreline.
KK will get it right but whether its in time will remain to be seen.
The players have to get some belief and keep on probing.
The players will have to be disciplined in their lifestyles and drive up their fitness wihout injury from now to may.
And tactics and patience especially at home will be paramount,teams are going to come here and put 10 men behind he ball and we have to be diligent and patient for our openings.
KK has clearly been working on achieving good starting positions but we were thwarted by a well disciplined man utd.
Lesser teams will buckle evenually I hope we are ready to score!
Its messy at the minute but a slight improvement often and some luck can make it work.
Stay tight fellas stay united....and smile dont get on a downer yet.

damo said:

We HAVE a believer!

Cheers Jimmy, you've cheered me right up. Honest. I'm putting the razor blades back in the drawer for now at least.

For weeks now I've been telling myself trite b***ocks like it's "always darkest before the dawn" and all that. Trying to be patient and philosophical. I told myself that with the names and reputations at our disposal, compared to those scrapping below us at least, it couldn't possibly get any worse. But now the hungry young player I would like to see KK put very high on the summer shopping list is up next week - David Bentley - in a must-not lose game against Blackburn. The kid is another of those that seems to just love playing against us - and I fear if we back off him and don't maintain 90 mins worth of aggression and belief, he will tear us apart once again with his shooting/passing ability.

Have lessons been learned?

I hope you're right Jimmy and there is further evidence of a game-by-game improvement. Because we're runnin out of games mate.

Ronnie Lambert said:

I am fully aware that the results since KK arrived are not of his making, but the rubbish team he inherited. The results under Sam would probably have been the same give or take a point, but I and many others still no doubt prefer the attempts of Kevin to ' try ' and get the team to at least play some semblance of football as we know it. Unfortunately the ' new manager gets team trying harder ' scenario has not worked out this time for one reason only, and that is that this team of Sam's is pure shite. I've held out for as long as possible to totally deride this team and time has rapidly arrived, so here it is. I strongly believed that Given bottled it after 2 goals went past him at Villa and I bet my mate that his " groin strain " would miraculously heal before the Man.U game. Well, what do you know, same again. I only hope that Keegan keeps Harper in for a good run, then you just see Given staying humble and loyal like Harps. He'll be off like a shot in summer. I don't give a monkey's about the Given loyalists, he's spent. As for the rest of this crock, the decks need clearing of slow, unimaginable, runs around in pretty circles Duff, pensioner Butt, charver Barton, Faye, Geremi, village idiot Smith, Cacapa, Enrique, Fatboy Veruka and the D.J. Even local hero Taylor more times than not lately has played like below the standard of Bramble. Poor, poor Keegan, to come in at this time and suffer the abuse of the nation's experts who refuse to put the blame for all of this on big Sham and fat Fred. Poor, poor Mike Ashley and Chris Mort who have to face their London buddies and keep repeating, " Next season, next season." I only hope that the true supporters keep their heads and rationalise that this season was finished as soon as Allardyce's honeymoon period ended i.e. after the Bolton game. As a 57 yr. old lifelong supporter from pre- Supermac days, on the freezing snow-covered, rain-drenched Gallowgate terraces, I can assure the newbies that it can only get better. I've seen worse than this lot and hoped against hope when the boardrooms of old didn't give a toss about us, but now they do. The wise-heads amongst them will have braced Ashley for such a situation, and he'll know that summer will totally change this dour position. I believe he'll see this job through cos he's lived with us long enough to know we'll not chuck it in. In the meantime, just take the flack off the outsiders, we will beat the Mancs 5-0 again, it's all in the averages.

Duncan Baines said:

What will our average attendance be if we go down? 30,000?

stevie said:

Keegan is not be responsible for the squad of players he has inherited, but he is responsible for how they are utilised now. Are Smith, Butt and Barton guaranteed a place in the team every week? They are woeful, but are picked by Keegan. Like Roeder, he is picking the so called big names, when they are clearly not good enough and/or letting him down. It is time to freshen this team up.


Don't worry NUFC will not be relegated -then KK can build a world class side and we will rocket up the league. How exactly is this going to happen? Its time to stop clutching at straws and forgot about what KK did 10+ years ago. Why would lets say a £10m rated player come to NUFC? There are lots of other clubs he can go to: Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Aston Villa, Everton, Arsenal - of course he will come to the Toon because the Messiah is building Entertainers 2. This must be a new Disney production - starring the Messiah, Terry Mac, Goofy, Tin Tin, Top Cat, Tom and Jerry, Donald Duck etc with a supporting cast of 52,000 others.

Alex said:

I don't understand why KK doesn't move n'zogbia to center midfield, solving two problems (non - defensive player playing left back/being forced to play barton at all) in one. Although he is a winger, he seems to be the only player in the squad with enough pace and skill to provide any sort of central service and support to the front men.

Fair enough we play Duff and Milner who are positive, but any attacking play we do create (on the off chance) is too predictable for clubs like Man U, Arsenal and probably Blackburn to deal with.

Please dont play Barton any more!!!!

Tardonicus said:

Jonathan Woodgate sure made the right decision, didn't he?

Rushabh said:

Defeat against Manu was a nightmare.It was humiliating defeat and will be hard to forget.But There is always a light at the end of the tunnel.One win and you will see a different newcastle.But when is that win going to come.i hope it comes sooner rather then later.Whats wrong with our team??It has to be lack of confidence.Remember guys,these same set of players gave us our best start of the season(in last 5 years).I think so its time for some young players to play their part,add freshness,enthusiasm and kick start the Keegan era.My team against blackburn wud be--

Beye Edger Taylor Enrique

ZOG(Emre if fit)
Milner Duff

Play this team..Have faith on our young guns.Remove Butt,Smith and Barton.With VIduka,Martins and Lua Lua on the bench we can only get better.we fans have to remain patient.It will take time for the king kev to understand that players like butt,smith and barton are not good enough.I hope that keegan realizes it quickly.Lets hope that we treat the game against blackburn as a Cup Final and give our all.It is very hard for us to be optimistic.But we dont have any other option.HAVE FAITH ON MESSIAH.HE IS HERE TO TAKE US TO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AND NOT THE CHAMPIONSHIPS.LEE what about the above team?Would it work?

Charles said:

If this keeps going on, Newcastle wont stand a chance!

KK, you need to refresh yourself; sit under a cooling air conditioner, pour some cold water on yourself and look down at the first team you, or many other managers would have picked...

It's time you give up on a few players, mainly Barton and Smith until next season. We want to see ourself next season, so dont make yourself a village idiot for trying to get the best out of the worse! Instead try the youngsters...would love it to see Lualua on midfield instead of Barton and another midfield to partner him, whosoever is not Butt...

Let's face it, Smith is no good even compared to a youngster like Carrol. It was Carrol that provided the goal in the first place and not Smith. Another fact is that we have a lousy heart of midfield, it was like shit letting MU players get pass them as if they never existed...

I'm a supporter who is willing to wait but let's not cause trouble, okay? It is clear the NU supporters are the twelve men but even including them, we are playing like we got three red cards in the beginning of each game. A good choice would be to kick the high payed idiots and pick the low paid performers...

medan said:

Well, we keep getting worse instead of playing with passion we look like useless. The way I see it and I will repeat what I kept saying before:

1] Very slow no pace in midfield and attack which means with team lineup
that palyed since KK took over you required the perfect pass to MO to score, very few shots on goal and chanes to score a goal. Bottom line you can cry and say our attakers are not getting service but we need attackers that create thier own chances and score goals out of nothing. What we have in Owen, Smith and Viduka is predicatble, no pace attackers that need a lot of quality service to score. OK Smith is useless. Which brings me to my point I would put Martins and Caroll in attack at least they will have pace and are real threat even with our useless midfield.

2] I suggested we play Fay as holding mifielder with Emre, Nzogbia and Milner.
Butt and Barton on the bench.

3] Our defense is playing horrible partly becuase our attack is pathetic and there is a big hole in our midfield. Please play Enrique, Capacca, Beye and Taylor in defense but I would swithch Tayolr and Beye have Taylor play right back he does well in that position.

Bottomline we have very predictable attack that does not worry any defense. The only attacker that we have that scares defenders is Martins since him and Owen can not play together play Martins and Caroll two young guns can not be worse than what we have.

The hole in our midfield needs Fay to play as holding mifielder.

Hope KK you read this post.

KZS said:

I'd just like to say that I watched the game on Sat and words cannot describe how I feel. It seems that once we concede 1 goal our heads drop and its the here we go again mentality. the night was summed up by zoggy's reaction when rooney scored and taylors pathetic attempt at a tackle on ronaldo for the second goal. heres wot needs to be done-

Given- needs to make way for Harper as he's just not pulling his weight right now

Beye= shows promise, but needs help and cant defend everything alone.

taylor= everyone thinks he the best we have, but hes not good enough (anyone remember the time when he pretended to to get shot when he hand balled it in the box?- has passion but no pace. edgar should be given a chance in his place

cacapa= "taxi for one" (he didnt even play enough said)

zoggy= not a left back! hes going anyway. enrique needs a chance

butt= too old/slow and cant pass, faye is a suitable replacement for the time being

barton= shouldnt be on the bench let alone the pitch. emre if he can stay fit for more than 5 mins- needs to slide some through balls in for owen to run on to

duff= really tries hard, but he's not the player he once was due to injuries. i think zoggy should start and duff come on fresh

milner= also tries hard, but not ronaldo.

owen= no service, means no goals. not at fault, he even tries to play deep to pick up the ball and create something.

smith= WHAT! you have to be joking right? Carroll created a chance and looked threatening. smith is not good enough in any position.

i think we are already in the relegation battle. lualua, carroll and edgar need to be in the team. they had the legs, enthusiasm and as much skill as the seniors. Hey what do we have to lose, we've already been drubbed 6-0, 3-0, 4-1, 5-1 so what if we lose with the kids at least they will try.

forget big names, they are not good enough to keep us up. if we do stay up and thats a big if, it'll be because of the kids.


Lee Ryder

Lee Ryder - Proudly born and bred on Tyneside, the Chronicle's chief sports writer has followed the fortunes of the club over the last three decades as a Toon fan and football writer.

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