If some Toon fans were too young to know what losing a derby was like before the game they certainly know now after it all went pear shaped on Wearside for Newcastle United.
It certainly can't come near to being battered 4-1 on your own ground on your way to the Championship but the reality now is that Newcastle are now in the relegation zone with just six points with November just round the corner.
In a typical derby Sunderland fans partied at the final whistle after Nicky Butt's blunder cost Newcastle dearly.
This defeat though was in the post for Newcastle and nobody can say they didn't see it coming.
The club is still in a total mess with for sale signs still hanging over St James's Park.
And the mess caused in black September is still making relegation a genuine possibility.
Having clawed themselves back into the game today United could have pushed on and won it and had the chances to do so.
But in the end this could have been a more comfortable scoreline for Sunderland.
Yet if Newcastle were a bit unorganised on the field, Sunderland as a football club were all over the place off it.
Without doubt, Wearsiders will deem some of the following views as sour grapes.
But what we are talking about here is the safety of genuine people who support both clubs.
How is it so easy for fans to get on to the pitch at Sunderland?
To allow fans to run at the away section is simply unacceptable and if the FA don't act on it (with similar occurences in the past having gone unpunished) then there something seriously wrong with the game.
Youngsters in both ends of the ground were at huge risk as both sets of fans were allowed to charge at each other.
The stewards and police were quick enough to act when Joey Barton had the audacity to warm up as sub.
Barton was also spat at and pelted with bottles and coins, all of which should have no place in a football ground, this is 2008 and not 1962.
Why was a supporter from the Sunderland end allowed to get dangerously close to Shay Given?
Whoever is in charge of security at Sunderland should hang their head in shame.
Most Newcastle fans have the tag as best supporters in the country because they are so civilised when it comes to visitors arriving on Tyneside.
But it was far from civilised at the Stadium of Light with people who are supposed to be looking after the crowd more interested in what was happening on the pitch and whether their side could win for the first time in 28 years.
And at the end of the game, with Newcastle fans as usual kept back in the stadium, how come Sunderland fans were allowed to also remain in the stadium to put more people in danger while stewards laughed and smiled along with them?
So many questions, and all of the answers lie with the FA.
And if they were as efficient as they were when they banned Barton and Joe Kinnear for their misdemeanors in the game, they should also come down on Sunderland like a ton of bricks.
I won't be holding my breath though.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?