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Is it time to let Kinnear do what he does best?

By Lee Ryder on Dec 18, 08 09:43 AM

Interesting times certainly lie ahead for Newcastle United with the transfer window now just a couple of weeks away from swinging back open and after comments from owner Mike Ashley today, it would appear that the black and whites are set to let Joe Kinnear strut his stuff.

One of Kinnear's greatest qualities in football is his ability to wheel and deal and while he has been unable to do it due to the closure of the transfer window, United seem likely to benefit from the man who has proved he can pluck players from the basements of football and make them into Premier League stars.

United fans could never have guessed that Kinnear would be in charge going into Christmas but despite the turmoil at the club many supporters have not directed anger at the former Wimbledon boss.

And speaking on Kinnear's hopes of bringing in new stars, Ashley has said today: "It is up to Joe, we have signed him, it's up to him. I've definitely got some money although whether I will give it to him or not is another question! Joe realises that Newcastle don't have a bottomless pit of money so he will be very careful with what he does.

"If it's a player that costs £30m then I can absolutely say 'I don't think so'.

"But will he able to get the players he wants to tinker with the team and change the balance? The answer's yes."

The Toon tycoon has kept a low profile since Kevin Keegan left Toon but also revealed he was delighted by Kinnear's work.

He said: "Joe's the man to do the job. He's my hero. Is he better than Capello? Definitely. We are going to be in Europe by the end of the season!"

Ashley also feels United will stay up this season but insisted the club is still for sale.


31 Comments

Desmond said:

"We are going to be in Europe by the end of the season!"

Ashley also feels United will stay up this season but insisted the club is still for sale.


lol. he thinks the other billionaires are as stupid

Danny Noonan said:

Better than Capello? Show us his trophies Mike? Youre having a laugh mate-at the expense of our club!!

Milt Caniff said:

"Is it time to let Kinnear do what he does best?"

Swear?

I see you and Ashley are close again, Lee.

ron lambert said:

With respect to Joe's good work so far, he doesn't deserve any harsh criticism though I have said he's been Ashley's mouthpiece. But then, he is probably getting a good wage from him and wouldn't we all do the same? A few more wins and the home support will be joining in with the away chants of 'Joe Kinnear's black and white army'. Time does heal all wounds unless you're totally intransigent, and Ashley could've stemmed a great deal of pain if he'd only spoken personally to his paying public to admit his mistakes (Backing his cronies against one of life's gentlemen) instead of the News of the World. With a small dose of humble pie, he might have still been wearing his Toon-top and enjoying a few jars at half-time, so might I.

Paul Patterson said:

I’m all for going down the leagues to get players that haven’t sampled the Premier League and want to play at St James’ Park, but they worry is if you buy Championship players, the usual outcome is, you end up in the Championship with them.

The common line thrown at Newcastle fans is they want all these big £15m signings and the glamour buys, but I don’t to be honest. I want a blend of youth and experience, but sadly every now and again, to get the quality, you need to splash out and get the real cream to turn the side into a top side. For the time being this isn’t the issue, it’s all about surviving in this minefield of a league.

If we could tempt Emile Heskey, I’d be delighted, especially if we could pair him with Micky Owen, but the stumbling block will be (Cash)ley as he’s 30 and will probably cost £10m which will not sit well with him.

Secondly, get John Arne Risse if possible, give Enrique something to think about.

Merry Christmas to one and all.

Paul.

Andrew from Perth said:

Ron Lambert, you're dreaming. Ashleys' race is run, and he came dead last puffing his fat guts up. How many times do you want to be kicked in the teeth, Ron? He says 30 million - no way? How much cash do you think it would take to 'shock the football world'? We've got good players, but not enough to challenge for Europe or a title.
He's never forked up for players. Jonas would still be in Spain if Ashley knew how much it'd cost him. On another note, Wise has done pretty well. Some good first team players he's unearthed.

Rich said:

Is it time to give Mike ashley another chance? It's probably something a lot of us are thinking. It might be time to bury the hatchet and I personally don't care who is writing the cheques as long as we are performing on the pitch, picking up results, moving forward and playing with pride.

Besides it may not be a case of can we forgive Ashley but in the current dire financial climate we might HAVE to for the good of the Newcastle United name. Let's face it buyers aren't queueing up and if they were which Bank's shareholders, in their right minds, would sanction loans in this day and age with the possibility of relegation and financial oblivion?

I have a feeling that Ashley might be forgiven if the results continue to improve but that's beacuse we don't have 'previous' with him. Let's face it we hated Dennis Wise long before he got involved in the management set up here. And the reports of his bust ups with KK coupled with the quite legitmate argument of 'What has he actually acheieved in a managerial capacity', I think mean he has burnt his bridges totally with the fans here and will NEVER be welcome back.

So perhaps the question is 'Is Ashley prepared to forsake his bond with Dennis Wise for the sake of the club.' My gut feeling is 'No'.

And if that is the case then we have a real 'stalemate.'

Billy the fish said:

We need to do what manchester United do, if only on a smaller scale. Identify Key players for key positions and buy the best player that funds will allow. Man U don't buy 6 players a season they buy 1 or 2 key players. We need to do the same, probably copying the Arsenal format of finding young talent at other euopean clubs.

furiouszed said:

And speaking on Kinnear's hopes of bringing in new stars, Ashley has said today: "It is up to Joe. Will he able to get the players he wants to tinker with the team and change the balance? The answer's yes."

Surely if it was that straightforward the answer would have been yes when Keegan asked for the players HE wanted, and we wouldn't be having the season we're having! You have to suspect Ashley actually means "Yes he can have one or two of the players he wants, if they're free or League 1, and he can have another one or two chosen by Dennis the Menace."

Good luck to you Joe. I like the cut of your jib and results are finally starting to go your way. Keep building on your good work.

Peter said:

Sorry folks, but it's time to forgive and forget and move upwards and onwards. The fact is Ashley is the owner, he is a business man and who's to say, had we gone down the road of splashing the cash that the banks would not come knocking asking for their money back now times are hard. All this bitchin about Ashley should be past us now, we've had our whinge, me included, ask lee, I put the boot in many a blog during the turmoil, but for the survival of NUFC, it's time to move on, let the man have the pleasure of watching his investment week in and week out, show him how the Newcastle supporters can be a forgiving bunch, let the first man who never made a mistake criticise him, he does'nt have to eat humble pie, he owns the Bl@@dy club, If it were me, It would be a case of, if you can't move forward, then protest when your season ticket comes up for renewal... meaning don't buy one, spend it on a satellite dish!
And for those of you thinking it, no I'm not on the Ashley payroll, I need more than the minimum wage!!

Billy the fish said:

Lets grow up people! Mike Ashley owns Newcastle United. He can run it as he sees fit. Come back Mike and watch the match. Merry Xmas everyone.........TO THE FUTURE Cheers!!!

Jimmy said:

In all fairness im looking forward to a few young fresh faced players from the championship filling up our paper thin squad, i would rather have some keen young lad come on the alan smith!!! i think we have quality players so why not fill the gaps with a few from the championship, you cant say theres not quality there because there def is...

NickNackPaddyWack said:

He`ll do for me. He`s got the lads playing good passing football. 0-3 and a clean sheet at Portsmouth was just what the Doctor ordered. Now if only the Toon can avoid injuries to the players, they`ll climb the table.
Keep it up Joe, your doing canny lad.

grinch said:

If we were still in the bottom 3, who would be ok with championship players being signed to save us from relegation? I wouldn't and if i wanted to pay to watch championship players Id go watch a championship game!

We are not safe from relegation and the only chance we have of distancing ourselves from it is to sign some quality players in jan. There probably is some good players in that league but the step up and to face the pressure of going down is not a good situation.
Maybe get them in the summer once safety is guaranteed, they could fill the squad out and not get thrown in at the deep end.

JK has done ok but is no hero and nowhere near as good as capello (just check domestic honours each has won), anyway am happy for him to see us through to the end of the season.

Eric said:

I agree it's time to quiet down for a while and see if Ashley comes through with some cash for our squad. I remember his statement to the press after KK left when he stated his funds weren't unlimited, but that he had always planned on spending 20 million a year on the squad (or was it 30?). Anyhow, we haven't seen any of that--he's made us sell to buy every time so far. Thus far that statement has not been true and I'm looking forward to Jan to see if we sell to buy again or if there is really any cash. This off season he'll still be the owner, and we'll get another chance to see if he was honest with us.

I'm willing to do that. But if he was lying about funding the team, gloves are off.

SPOOK said:

ANYONE THAT BELIEVES OWT MIKE ASHLEY SAYS IS A MUG. HOW HE THINKS WE WILL QUALIFY FOR EUROPE BY BUYING CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYERS NOT EVEN TESTED IN THE TOP FLIGHT IS BEYOND ME,THE FAT FOOL HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF FOOTBALL,BETTER THAN CAPELLO GIVE OVER MATE ONE GOOD RESULT CHANGES NOWT ANYONE AT THE STOKE GAME COULD SEE HOW LIMITED TACTICALLY JFK IS WITH HIS CHANGES WHEN GUTHRIE WENT OFF.

DAVE ROBSON said:

I CANNOT BELIEVE ARE FALLING FOR THE TRIPE SPEWED OUT OF ASHLEYS MOUTH IN A 2ND RATE RED TOP SUNDAY PAPER.
WE GET ONE GOOD RESULT EVERY BLUE MOON, AND EVERYTHINGS HUNKY DORY, YEAH WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ASHLEYS BECAUSE NO ONE WAS GONNA BUY US IN A MILLION YEARS AND WONT FOR A LONG TIME YET.
WE ARE AND WILL BE IN A RELEGATION FIGHT RIGHT TO THE WIRE, BECAUSE WE ARE BAD MORE THAN WE ARE GOOD COME MATCH DAY THATS A FACT.
IF WE SOMEHOW SURVIVE U CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR THE BIT OF QUALITY IN THE SQUAD WILL BE SOLD IF DECENT OFFERS COME IN.
IF OWEN DOES SIGN ANOTHER CONTRACT AND HE KEEPS BANGING GOALS IN SOMEONE WILL BUY IN SUMMER, (SIGNING THE CONTRACT MEANING MORE TRANSFER MONEY).
I HEARD KIGHTLY FROM WOLVES NAMED MENTION, WE HAVE'NT GOT A CAT IN HELLS CHANCE OF GETTING THE LIKES OF HIM IN.
ASHLEY FAILED BIG TIME AND TOOK THE P*** BIG TIME. HOW CAN THAT BE FORGOTTEN.

Swiss Fish said:

Well said SPOOK!
Nothing has changed here since MA did the dirty. He says he will take 250M. I bet he will! Means he will lose NOWT after nearly wrecking the place. Any other business of his must have depreciated a hell of a lot in the last year, and there is the line of thought that he should (as is often the case in business) take a hit and walk. But why should he when people forgive and forget and lets him back in to sit at the milking stool!
JFK has done nothing here. The results and performances are improving because there are good players coming back from injury, and that they are good players who SHOULD be grinding out these results (or better?) as a matter of their own pride if nothing else. His substitutions (or lack of sometimes) are baffling, and any success is despite him not because of. I must say they are STILL an improvement on Big SAM.
Add to the fact that everything that he says has been not true or contradicted later shows that he is as blind as we are as to what is going on at a higher level.
Lets get behind the TEAM! I think with one good central midfielder (small change), a good run together, and a bit of luck with injuries those we have can do a job rather than reaching for the cheque book.

Rich said:

Noone is saying we believe him. What people are saying is waht is the alternative? We can either keep moaning on and on and on about how deceitful he is and so on... Which may well be true! BUT it's stability we need... So whereas I'm not suggesting you invite him round at Christmas for a mince pie and a cuddle! But let's try to pull together until a viable alternative appears - if that ever happens and if not let's give him the benefit of the doubt for the good of the club!!!!!

So Spook do us all a favour and grow up a little...

Rich said:

Noone is saying we believe him. What people are saying is waht is the alternative? We can either keep moaning on and on and on about how deceitful he is and so on... Which may well be true! BUT it's stability we need... So I'm not suggesting you invite him round at Christmas for a mince pie and a cuddle! But let's try to pull together until a viable alternative appears - if that ever happens and if not let's give him the benefit of the doubt for the good of the club!!!!!

So Spook do us all a favour and grow up a little...

ron lambert said:

The comments on this blog are by no means indicative of the majority of supporters who actually go to the games. The once vociferous protest that started at the home game with Hull, where you could count on one hand the number of drinkers at the ground has all but disappeared with people now fighting with each other over places in the queues ( still not me ). So Ashley IS still the owner, and controls the future of this club, and the beer embargo has fizzled out. The club shop has also looked quite busy in recent weeks, so whether or not these customers have forgiven Ashley in their hearts or not, their spending's doing the talking. To continue any 'apparently' hypocritical hatred towards him will ultimately be counter-productive as he just might reciprocate. He's probably lost the backslapping he once thrived upon, sitting with his toon-top on with the lads, but who gives a monkey's if he wants to attend games? Sandy from Perth isn't here paying over half a grand for a season ticket so he doesn't count. Ashley probably won't ever feel comfortable coming back anyway, but a sincere apology for the mess and stress he could've avoided would touch the hearts of many other imperfect mortals. Randy in Perth, do you hate Germans for 2 world wars, or the Romans and Vikings for invading us for that matter, or do you at some point say " Enough?"

Mike said:

People only stopped protesting after the fat man released that pathetic statement begging for it to stop saying the club was up for sale .He is a complete grinning buffoon who has never invested in payers and turned us into a selling club with no ambition except for staying in the premiership and still the rat has not been fired he claims Kinnear has control of transfers so why wasnt Keegan ? .He will never be forgiven never

Rich said:

Thank God someone is talking sense at last! Well said Ron! We all know the situation is not ideal but so what? Let's be adults and get on with supporting the players, the team, the manager, the chairmen and most importantly the CLUB!

Rich said:

The protests stopping had nothing whatsoever to do with Ashley's statement! Intelligent fans stopped protesting because they realised that the only harm it was doing was to the team!

Continue abusing Ashley all you want - and some of the points made - if a bit cavemanish - are true, the only effect it will have is a negative one on the team. And as has been said numerous times here, it's who we've got so we've just got to get on with it!

DAVE ROBSON said:

if were looking for players then jimmy bullard is gonna be available, he' the type of player who would do us a good job, set pieces, can put a ball on a six pence. does'nt waste poccession, would'nt cost too much,yes he's a cockney but he is a decent cockney, he would give us some much needed guile in midfield with plenty of premiership experience.
if everton want smithy do a swap with leighton baines who would give some competion with jose enrique.

Jay said:

Seriously i think people whinging about MA and calling him names is very childish. So what, he is on the big side..how many men are not? People wanna realise that name calling is a form of bullying, and at the end of it all MA has come in and sorted our MASSIVE club debts out.

I dont like to be "that guy" but does anybody actually know the kind of guy MA is? A guy i work with, used to work for sports direct, so i asked him, "have you ever met MA? and if so what do you think of him?" and this lad replied "he is really friendly and generous, a guy who worked for sports world, lost his wife, and home and everything, didnt have any spare cash or anything so at a xmas party MA said to the guy "if you can outdrink me, you can have my such and such sports car, ya can do what ya like with it!" MA won the game, but still handed his keys over to the guy.

At the same party (it was for staff to recieve xmas bonuses) my mate got aenvelope with a check for 8grand in it.

I dont get paid that a year!

Yeah he may have f**ked up with running a football club, but lets not forget, he is only human.

bob h said:


So it seems that the PR cycle seems to have about run it's course. From the very profeesionally written statement claiming to want to sell the club, through the maybe tommorrows by Harris, Wise edging his way back into the picture, to the not sold before February slid out on the back of the good Chelsea result and now to Ashley edging his way back in. Looks to be set up(and I have more than a few doubts about Ashley PR people posting on here) for a Mea Culpa from Ashley in January and Kinnear shouting about Ashley is the best thing since Dennis Wise if any one get's signed.

What I really don't see is why so many comments are about forgiving Ashley ?

ron lambert said:

bob h. the names on this blog are fairly well known to us regular bloggers and we've all slagged Ashley off from day one of the Keegan assassination. It's also apparent to me, and probably the blog boss Lee that we've mellowed recently, not cos we're Ashley's secret PR agents, but because of the club's long-term welfare. Also from a human standpoint, it only damages yourself to continue with anger and hatred. The bible tells you that (somewhere near the front), it can induce heart attack to maintain anger, get a grip on yourself son. I've personally observed a few writers to this and the Journal's blog that many of the hate-merchants are from abroad and don't really support the club in the literal sense. Of course they're entitled to their own opinons but to slag off other match-going supporters for exercising their rights is infantile. I, along with tens of thousands of others, in line with some in the new supporters' group decided to boycott the beer, food and club merchandise on matchdays. Since then, Ive suffered not having a drink, pie or program, feeling it was a right and proper thing to do for NUFC's future. But in recent weeks, the beer and bovril queues have taken the staff by surprise, maybe because they'd been trimmed, to a point that you can hardly get a pint at halftime unless you set out 5mins before the whistle. My point being bob, people want their matchday to be a pleasure again, with all of the trimmings. How long should I maintain my stance, to my unhappiness, if everybody else has softened?
If Ashley can't or won't find a buyer, he might be chairman/owner for the rest of your life. He might be gaffer over a cup-winning, or title-winning team one day, what will you do then mate? It's up to the individual, the ticket buyers who each have the right to support 'their team' as they see fit.

Dave Lynn said:

does ron lambert or anyone else here imagine that to support the team means supporting the chairman? Ever since the pirate was in charge i have maintained a healthy skepticism about the motives of the chairman and the board. come on! we all thought they had their own interests at heart and we at best have tolerated them, loved the club IN SPITE OF THEM. We will never stop cheering the team but the day I will cheer MA, or buy official merchandise is when he hauls his sorry *ss out of town, taking Dennis with him.

Gary Wright said:

Sack the poison dwarf and then there will be forgiveness. Bringeth back the Messiah and the multitudes will follow.

Luke 19:23

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