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Desperate times for Toon fans

By Lee Ryder on Apr 20, 09 09:04 AM

Just how much damage did Newcastle United's 1-0 loss at Tottenham Hotspur exactly cause?

Make no mistakes there are once again more questions than answers for those who still have hope Newcastle will be playing Premier League football next season.

The R word is no longer one that is hushed at St James's Park, it has now become a very realistic possiblity unless Newcastle can turn it round in the last five games.

With one win in 2009, a 3-2 victory over the only team that have been more hopeless than Newcastle this season in West Brom, many feel there is no reason to believe that things are about to change.

It gives me no pleasure to say 'I was right' but just moments before the kick-off at Bolton in early March I raised the issue that we may not win again until Portsmouth at home, Steve McManaman and Andy Cole found the claim hilarious in the warmth of the TV studios.

Macca said: "What? They've got Stoke and Hull, and he doesn't even fancy them either?"

Well no actually having watched a shambles unfold at St James's Park throughout the season.

Well we weren't laughing then and we certainly are not laughing now as the prediction has sadly come true.

Now Newcastle's Premier League future depends on whether the Mags can BEAT Portsmouth.

It's a double whammy for the Toon, Hull must lose to Liverpool and Newcastle need all three points against Pompey.

If Wigan can do Newcastle a favour and beat Blackburn then fine, but we stopped relying on favours a while ago now.

Even then that would only reduce the gap to a point and after hoping Liverpool do the business against the Tigers, we're then hoping they don't do the business the week after when we head to Merseyside - at a ground where we haven't won a Premier League game since 1994.

As one southern journalist walked into the Press room yesterday at Spurs and said: "It looks like a farewell party for you boys in your last few games eh?"

He sadly had a point.

Whether United go down with a fight is down to the players, the fans know that the TV cameras will be present and looking for good shots of the Toon Army as this nightmare unfolds.

The only way out is those three home wins and praying.

Praying that others don't pick up wins or praying Newcastle can get something at Liverpool or Aston Villa.

Desperate, isn't it?

23 Comments

Brian Whitfield said:

Sadly It looks like I have more chance at an Audience with the Pope than NUFC have of staying up........and I'm Presbyterian.

Ivor said:

When you look at the remaining fixtures only Boro have a worse run in, so I reckon they are doomed. Even if we do win all 3 remaining home games( not guaranteed as Pompey and Boro will be fighting just as hard and Fulham have Europe to aim for) Liverpool will crush us and Villa will need to consolidate their Euro position and finish on a high for their fans. That plus the fact that the bottom teamsplaying each other means at least one of them will always get a point if not 3, means we really are in the doodoo. Shearer coming in was an absolute desperate measure. Dowie will take over for the championship next season and Shearer will do a Brooking and head back to TV. JK will either retire gracefully or be moved upstairs. Big names all leaving in summer, local lads signed up on new contracts, geordie spine of Harps, Taylor, Carroll, Ameobi and Ranger. And then we start all over again.......and even if we did survive what price another rotten season in the PL when Owen, Martins, Guiterrez, Bassong are all sold/leave anyway?....

Worried Toon Fan said:

Too Many Mistakes From Mr Ashley this season:
1) Sacking / Making KK leavedue to Dennis Wise and lack of transfer funds. Keegans nickname when he first came to the toon was the mounty as he always got his man. To strip him of this strength was a HUGE mistake
2) Signing Colcini - Utter rubbish player as Shearer pointed out each week on MOTD
3) Seeling Given, Nzogbia and Milner when we've been embroiled in a relegation battle all season.
4) Appointing Joe Kinnear as manager
5) Not acting fast enough when dear old Joe fell ill and keeping Chris Hughton on as manager
6) Sigining Kevin Nolan - Legs have gone
7) Sigining Ryan Taylor - Poor Poor Player
8) Signing Xisco - Why ! ? ! ?
9) Not sigining a left back at the start of the season.
10) Giving Ameobi a new contract - fair enough this won't be the reason why but still why the hell have we done it ?

There are 10 reasons why we WILL go down.

Mr Ashley will sell as soon as he can. He doesn't want to keep us anyway he just can't sell during the credit crunch.

If any good will come of going down it will be to rid us of the very very average players we have on very very good wages. Damien Duff for instance.

And by the way I don't believe any real good happens when you go down. Look at the bottom 5 of the Championship - they were all Premiership sides not so long ago.

Pete said:

What a shocking performance that was. The players just did not look up for a fight. Nicky Butt has a tremendous range of passing - to an opposition player or to no-one at all - and too many others (mentioning MO names) know that they are leaving this year regardless of what happens to the club. We can only hope that two other clubs make a bigger mess of their season that we do - because if we survive it will be good luck rather than good football.

Stephen Buchan said:

Its looking grim!

I honestly think Blackburn will survive as I can see them beating Wigan at the weekend & I can see them picking up points at home to Portsmouth, Sunderland & certainly against WBA on the last day of the season. so that leaves us relying on Boro & Hull not picking up many (any) points & us collecting 9 from 9 at home...not an easy task the way we are playing, have we even put back to back home wins together this season?? There have been many disappointing results this season but talking about winning our home games makes me look back at 3 in particular where all finished 2-2 in which we conceded late late goals. Home to Man City (Ireland on 86 mins) Home to Wigan (Bramble on 89 mins & Home to Stoke Faye on 91 mins) Thats 6 BIG points dropped which would be more than welcome now!!

John said:

another poor first half, and again a match, that showed up all to well the lack of quality in the team.

Its going to take a miracle now, i thought we could reach 40-42 points back when shearer took charge, but now we don't seem as if we'll reach even 39.

We need 3 home wins, we haven't won a game this year, and we have won just 4 all season at home, its a massive ask, from a squad devoid of any idea or direction.

God know's what formation, or what tactics we where using yesterday, but it went horribly wrong.

Maybe all we can hope for is some how, we win 3 games at home, and find a villa team, on the beach, for the last game, but to be honest, i wouldn't bet then we would win.

No matter what, the blame lies with Ashley, for mis-mangaging the club for so long, poor judgement, and thinking he knew about football, and worse, taking advice, from that idiot who used to be at spurs, kemsley.

Bill said:

If you review our situation with cold hard logic then there is only one conclusion: we will be relegated. We have won only four games at home this season and to expect us to win our last three is bordering on the miraculous.


Our ONLY hope is that WBA and Boro will be relegated - but I am still not convinced about Boro - and Hull. They are in free fall, have a hard set of games left and might, just might, take over the 18th spot. However, when you consider the lack of fight/bottle in our recent performances, particularly away from home, I would not be surprised if we didn't win another game this season.

Ruts said:

Anyone remember May 1992...Newcastle United desperate for a win to stay afloat...Visitors a certain Porstmouth FC....with 6 minutes remaining upped popped the ever reliable David Kelly to net what turned out to be one of the most vital goals anyone has ever scored in black and white...bedlam...the fanatical full house ensured the lads were backed to the hilt....
fast forward 17 years to Monday night....get in there and back the lads...make it nosey...make it hostile and let everyone know that we, Newcastle United are prepared to fight to stay in this division..

lets knock the smug look off all those who would love to see us go down...

Toon Toon

kieran said:

Hull might be in freefall now but we`ve been in freefall since january. And before that since SBR was sacked.

Matt said:

The one person that no one is blaming is Kevin Keegan. I have only been following Newcastle for the last three seasons so I don't have the emotional attachment to Kevin Keegan that everyone else does... But I still can not understand why he is given a pass for quitting on the team???? All of the fans care so much for Keegan... but how much can he really care about you??!!? If he knew how bad the management situation was, then he must have known what would happen if he quit. All the blame can be laid on Mike Ashley if you want (and should), but if Keegan doesn't quit, Newcastle is in the top half of the table. Nobody should be given a pass for QUITTING.

The Truth said:

We do have to wonder, what is going to happen if we do go down? Are we going be able to retain some of the talent that didn't perform well enough to keep us up or do we sniff about the Championship for people who feel they can get a ticket to the Premiership helping us back into the top flight? Do we even want to retain 'talent' that didn't do what they were paid for? At the state of things at the mo, I think we're going down cos we didnt do the job properly and if we do stay up its gonna take a few favours from the fixtures. Either that or voodoo magic!!! Will the over-priced, under-performing members of the squad expect a ticket to the Premiership if we do go down in the form of a sale or transfer?? On their performances, I'd like them to be given the cold shoulder and told 'Well, if u can't keep ur own team up, what use will u be to us? cheerio!!!' Maybe going down could be the best thing that happened to the club if it shuffles the whole place up and shifts out the dead wood n potential dandy boys with over-inflate opinions of themselves and their abilities...

The Truth said:

We do have to wonder, what is going to happen if we do go down? Are we going be able to retain some of the talent that didn't perform well enough to keep us up or do we sniff about the Championship for people who feel they can get a ticket to the Premiership helping us back into the top flight? Do we even want to retain 'talent' that didn't do what they were paid for? At the state of things at the mo, I think we're going down cos we didnt do the job properly and if we do stay up its gonna take a few favours from the fixtures. Either that or voodoo magic!!! Will the over-priced, under-performing members of the squad expect a ticket to the Premiership if we do go down in the form of a sale or transfer?? On their performances, I'd like them to be given the cold shoulder and told 'Well, if u can't keep ur own team up, what use will u be to us? cheerio!!!' Maybe going down could be the best thing that happened to the club if it shuffles the whole place up and shifts out the dead wood n potential dandy boys with over-inflate opinions of themselves and their abilities...

Danny Noonan said:

I dont think we are going to do it. I think we deserve to go down and all.

Either way I hope I never see a season like this again.Championship or Premiership,whatever, but we have to be competitive.A line in the sand needs to be drawn.

No more Joe Kinnear no more Dennis Wise,no more Spanish "punts" when you can get equivalants that aresuited to the premiership at home and abroad for cheaper.No more Damien Duff no more Kevin Nolan no more Geremi no more Nicky Butt no more Michael Owen,Viduka,Barton and to be honest even Oba can waddle off- he has contributed naff all this season and will always be nothing better than a richman's mans Kanu,expensive unpredictable and unreliable.

Why have we the slowest midfield in the premiership?


Why have we no creative midfielders whatsoever?
Why- when we were in for Modric and that went t1ts up did not go right ok lets get a similar type player though because well we still need one?

The world and his dog have been saying for the last 3 seasons that we have no creativity.And yet noone ever thinks to do anything about it.instead we get Kevin slower than an overfed 3 legged dog Nolan.Kinnear apparently was a scout for Arsenal? Could you imagine him recommending Nolan to Arsenal? Or Ryan Taylor for that matter? Dont tell me any scouting was done there!!!Wise was in Brazil for a couple of weeks and did we get anyone? no. Who thought Dennis Wise was a good idea?I doubt there was anyone in the entire footballing world,bar our genius of an owner who thought Dennis Wise- yeah he would make a good Director of Football,respected throughout the game and all that???????

We sold Scott Parker, a model pro and bought a raving lunatic who has spent more time in prison than on the pitch.We sold Milner and Nzogbia and Given and didnt get paid for them.and yet we stumped up front for Taylor and that other cart horse!!! Seriously I reckon Shearer himself is fitter than Nolan..

We have had only one left back every year since Bobby got the heave ho.

These are simple things a left back some pace in midfield and creativity- we keep hearing that the current owners admit that they have made mistakes- but does anyone at the club know what the mistakes are?

Relton said:

Sorry guys - but the recent gutless lacklustre performances lead me ot the conclusion that we will not get another three points this season.
Everyone fancies thier chances against us - and why not.
Ruts - even that 1992 team had spark, desire and fight. This team chokes - it chokes when it is winning (see stephen Buchanans post of the draws we have handed to visitors) and it chokes in front of most opposition, hell - we nearly even threw away victories to Portsmouth and WBA, so scarred were we of winning.
And let us not kid ourselves about life in the Championship - it will be short hard and brutish if we dont pick up our socks.
Southampton, Leeds, Notts Forest man the list goes on, these are clubs with history - with honours - with ghosts - just like ours.
I cant help but be very very fearful

Steve Taylor said:

Though not his No.1 fan I cant be bothered to entertain any criticism of Keegan here, he left early in the season under circumstances that no other decent manager anywhere would have entertained. The blame for this is 100% Ashleys. The buffoon alienated his manager, employed Wise, Kinnear and the pointless Calderwood in addition to an ineffectual chairman who comes across as a personality-free stooge.
Every signing but Bassong has been scandalously poor and they even screwed up in January when we needed something extra by signing Nolan and Taylor who have been dreadful. We have no creativity, poor fitness levels and the worst centre half Ive seen in years in Coloccini.
I suspect had we at least tried to sign Beattie when available for relative peanuts in January we might have had several more points as he has practically saved Stoke. He's the sort of player many fans would perceive as being less than good enough for the Toon but he looks a world beater compared to Owen. Theres been a desperation regarding the Owen situ, absolutely the wrong type of player for us over the past few seasons. Alas Shearer is likely to persist with him which is surely a waste of time. He never looks fit, is powder-puff and incapable of holding onto the ball. But Martins and Viduka have long seemed unable to play successive games so whats the alternative?
Its desperate stuff and any talk of winning 3 on the belt seems laughable right now. Its not that Im pessimistic, I just cant see us managing to get goals and defend well. Also Pompey and Fulham are much better sides than us right now.
Ashley was whining about wasting loadsa money if he agreed to the apparently unrealistic demands of fans but its the criminal waste of cash on players we have brought in that leaves me incredulous. Coloccini, Xisco, Gutierrez, Nolan, Enrique, Smith, Barton...need I go on??...

Stewart Douglass said:

After watching Sunday's game I don't think we are good enough for the premier league. It also proved how much we miss Enrique, who I think is a very good full back and is not appreciated enough by our fans. He is strong, fast and uses the ball well but unfortunately the midfield players in front of him are absolutely useless. It also proved that Owen should be left on the bench for the remaining games and Viduka should be packed off to Australia immediately (he was sucking wind after being on the field for two minutes on Sunday).
Shearer's team selection baffles me; why was Edgar not playing after a faultless display the previous week and why was Carroll and not Owen subbed off? Ryan Taylor and Nolan were very poor; do we not have anyone better in the Reserves?

I don't know how anyone can blame Keegan for the current position we are in, quitting was the only way he could bring to our attention how bad the club was being operated. Personally I would have him back tomorrow because I don't think Shearer is the answer.

Billy the fish said:

WA DOON DUDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zammy said:

I think relegation will do wonder for us as we can get rid of all the deadwoods. I mean, do you seriously think that those overpaid players can improve next season? Even if we survive, we are going to struggle again next season. And the fans will see the same performance next season.

Let them ask for transfer (Alan Smith-I expect you to cry and ask for transfer - a la Leeds). Let MA get his wish of reducing the wage bills. Bring on the youngsters so who ever the manager is can build up the second generation of slick passing, all attacking NUFC.

M. Sebastian T. said:

Poort as Toon (or should it be The Shambles) are truth is that Hull and Boro are even worse. Amazingly to many Toon will survive.

Al Jardine said:

This is the sort of thing that should've been on the back page of the Chronic:
"Danny Noonan said:
I dont think we are going to do it. I think we deserve to go down and all.

Either way I hope I never see a season like this again.Championship or Premiership,whatever, but we have to be competitive.A line in the sand needs to be drawn.

No more Joe Kinnear no more Dennis Wise,no more Spanish "punts" when you can get equivalants that aresuited to the premiership at home and abroad for cheaper.No more Damien Duff no more Kevin Nolan no more Geremi no more Nicky Butt no more Michael Owen,Viduka,Barton and to be honest even Oba can waddle off- he has contributed naff all this season and will always be nothing better than a richman's mans Kanu,expensive unpredictable and unreliable.

Why have we the slowest midfield in the premiership?


Why have we no creative midfielders whatsoever?
Why- when we were in for Modric and that went t1ts up did not go right ok lets get a similar type player though because well we still need one?

The world and his dog have been saying for the last 3 seasons that we have no creativity.And yet noone ever thinks to do anything about it.instead we get Kevin slower than an overfed 3 legged dog Nolan.Kinnear apparently was a scout for Arsenal? Could you imagine him recommending Nolan to Arsenal? Or Ryan Taylor for that matter? Dont tell me any scouting was done there!!!Wise was in Brazil for a couple of weeks and did we get anyone? no. Who thought Dennis Wise was a good idea?I doubt there was anyone in the entire footballing world,bar our genius of an owner who thought Dennis Wise- yeah he would make a good Director of Football,respected throughout the game and all that???????

We sold Scott Parker, a model pro and bought a raving lunatic who has spent more time in prison than on the pitch.We sold Milner and Nzogbia and Given and didnt get paid for them.and yet we stumped up front for Taylor and that other cart horse!!! Seriously I reckon Shearer himself is fitter than Nolan..

We have had only one left back every year since Bobby got the heave ho.

These are simple things a left back some pace in midfield and creativity- we keep hearing that the current owners admit that they have made mistakes- but does anyone at the club know what the mistakes are?"

It's all there for people to see, but no-one's willing to bring it until it's too late.

trevn said:

Going down, down. Newcastle are the next Leeds Utd. Bankruptcy, administration, relegation to league 1 and oblivion. It has being coming for years, only Toon fans couldn't see it coming. They were deluded in thinking Newscastle were one of the top 5 clubs in the world. Ha, ha

Dave Owens said:

Literacy not one of your strong points, I see. Try evolving before you post here.

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