Was Scunthorpe the moment that Newcastle United hit rock bottom?
Losing to little Scunthorpe United may well feel like Newcastle United have hit rock bottom but unless there is a dramatic response to this unacceptable defeat for the Magpies there is every chance there is more pain to come for the long suffering Toon fans.
Furious United fans stormed out of Glanford Park last night with every reason to be annoyed.
It isn't just the humiliation of losing to Scunny and the magnitude of such a result, it's the way it all unfolded.
Firstly, the lack of depth and investment in the Toon squad meant that we had a 5ft 9in full-back in Danny Simpson in the heart of the back four alongside another player who isn't even ours in Zurab Khizanishvili.
The pair aren't bad players but the fact that we have to cobble together a centre-back pairing that don't even belong to us shows how far we've tumbled.
After the game when chatting to ex-Toon coach John Carver he raised the point that no squad should go into a season without at least four established centre-backs.
Throw into the fact that the Academy system and transfer policy of bringing in quality overseas youngsters appears to have come to a standstill and we really do have a mess on our hands.
Should Chris Hughton had a bit more conviction to play Ben Tozer or Tamas Kadar?
Or is Tozer completely scarred by the London Road experience?
Then we quickly move on to the selection of Geremi?
The Cameroon midfielder looked out of his depth at Glanford Park and that has to be a worrying sign.
Surely Nicky Butt (rested for the trip) would have been a better option and at least would have had some understanding of the situation.
Many have slated the decision to play the 4-4-1-1 formation but it was poor finishing that let United down.
With Doncaster Rovers next there is a superb chance to erase memories of this shocking loss.
Failure to do so will almost certainly see the alarm bells ringing even louder at St James's Park.
Which gets me back to the point, is rock bottom still to come for Newcastle United?